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Today we’re joined by Ben Goertzel, CEO of SingularityNET. In our conversation with Ben, we explore all things AGI, including the potential scenarios that could arise with the advent of AGI and his preference for a decentralized rollout comparable to the internet or Linux. Ben shares his research in bridging neural nets, symbolic logic engines, and evolutionary programming engines to develop a common mathematical framework for AI paradigms. We also discuss the limitations of Large Language Models (LLMs) and the potential of hybridizing LLMs with other AGI approaches. Additionally, we chat about their work using LLMs for music generation and the limitations of formalizing creativity. Finally, Ben discusses his team's work with the OpenCog Hyperon framework and Simuli to achieve AGI, and the potential implications of their research in the future.